tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post5279290838481340422..comments2024-03-28T00:36:36.460-07:00Comments on The Tree of Life: Wanted - input on voting for resolutions for the #UCDavis Academic Senate #OccupyUCDavisJonathan Eisenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07953790938128734305noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-90375596358296900352012-03-05T17:38:15.673-08:002012-03-05T17:38:15.673-08:00Grow up DiogenesGrow up DiogenesJonathan Eisenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953790938128734305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-14967524451830214702012-03-05T13:27:26.186-08:002012-03-05T13:27:26.186-08:00That is not an argument, since what you know (the ...That is not an argument, since what you know (the premises) are hidden. Stick with science.diogenes99https://www.blogger.com/profile/14872849504726973064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-14776849793474701942012-02-23T10:04:50.856-08:002012-02-23T10:04:50.856-08:00I noted no on #1 and #2 and yes on #3 --- I neithe...I noted no on #1 and #2 and yes on #3 --- I neither endorse Katehi's actions nor condemn them nor do I think it is necessary for her to resign. <br /><br />That being said, I think Katehi is overall an excellent chancellor - and I do not think there is a need to get rid of her given what I know about the incidents. I await the results of the investigations - though am skeptical a bit of them.Jonathan Eisenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953790938128734305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-26639986108481981842012-02-23T07:04:18.761-08:002012-02-23T07:04:18.761-08:00So, Dr. Eisen: After your posts, the debate, and ...So, Dr. Eisen: After your posts, the debate, and input about the three proposals, how did you vote? And was your reasoning simply that they were "lame"?diogenes99https://www.blogger.com/profile/14872849504726973064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-13153531435615581032012-02-15T10:52:10.002-08:002012-02-15T10:52:10.002-08:00I am not sure I would use the word "lame.&quo...I am not sure I would use the word "lame." I think "superficial" is better. I think there are deeper issues dividing faculty and students. The applied science and professional faculty see themselves as the prime money makers and see Katehi as the best bet to raising the their reputation and funding. Some of the pure science faculty and humanities faculty see themselves as part of a larger academic conversation abut society and free speech, and Katehi symbolizes what they are fighting against, and she is not educated in a way to engage in that conversation. The undergraduates see high tuition and student loans as a back-braker, and the Occupy movement as the only viable public movement that addresses these concerns, and they see Katehi as part of the move to privatize education (ensuring the tuition problem will not go away).<br /><br />I personally think Katehi needs to go. The argument that she is a money-maker and will raise the reputation of the university is just short-term thinking. <br /><br />I agree with those calling for her resignation just on the grounds that she should have known better about the possible actions of the police. But I think her greater flaw is that she does not understand the problems that students and society face, and she is not prepared to work these concerns -- in any deep way - into her leadership of the university.diogenes99https://www.blogger.com/profile/14872849504726973064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-91448577820476198572012-02-10T12:52:18.017-08:002012-02-10T12:52:18.017-08:00The resolutions were proposed by faculty not the a...The resolutions were proposed by faculty not the administration ... but all of them seem lame to meJonathan Eisenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953790938128734305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10781944.post-56652240255939781892012-02-10T12:20:08.462-08:002012-02-10T12:20:08.462-08:00Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't s...Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what any of these resolutions actually do. Is any change in policy or leadership being proposed? Are future bad behaviors being constrained by establishing ways of determining bad behavior or negative consequences for engaging in it?<br /><br />Is this meant to be a first step somewhere or a symbolic act to dilute strong emotions among students and staff?Allen Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14792447648378856060noreply@blogger.com